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Gun Debate Must Avoid Crazy 2nd Amendment Claims
The rise of the Second Amendment as a serious obstacle to U.S. gun control legislation is astonishingly recent.
Its rise is a tribute less to the vision of the Founding Fathers than to the skill, money and power of the contemporary gun-rights movement, which has not only exerted disproportionate influence on Congress, but also helped transform the landscape of constitutional argument. We should be able to have a serious national discussion uninhibited by wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution.
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Here’s a quick way to see how rapidly things have changed. Warren Burger was a conservative Republican, appointed U.S. chief justice by President Richard Nixon in 1969. In a speech in 1992, six years after his retirement from the court, Burger declared that “the Second Amendment doesn’t guarantee the right to have firearms at all.” In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was only “to ensure that the ‘state armies’ — ‘the militia’ — would be maintained for the defense of the state.”
A year before, Burger went even further. On “MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour,” Burger said the Second Amendment “has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud — I repeat the word ‘fraud’ — on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” Burger wasn’t in the habit of taking stands on controversial constitutional questions on national television. In using the word “fraud,” Burger meant to describe what he saw as a clear consensus about the meaning of the Constitution.
Ambiguous Text
To understand what Burger was thinking, consider the words of the Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Fair- minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous. Sure, it could fairly be read to support an individual right to have guns. But in light of the preamble, with its reference to a well-regulated militia, it could also be read not to confer an individual right, but to protect federalism, by ensuring that the new national government wouldn’t interfere with citizen militias at the state level.
A lot of historians believe, with Chief Justice Burger, that some version of the latter interpretation is the right one. Until remarkably recently, almost all federal judges have agreed. It is striking that before its 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court had never held that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have guns.
For almost seven decades, the court’s leading decision was U.S. v. Miller. The 1939 case involved a ban on the possession of a sawed-off shotgun. Sounding like Burger, the court unanimously said that the Second Amendment’s “obvious purpose” was “to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of” the militia. Without evidence that the possession of a sawed-off shotgun was related to preservation of a well-regulated militia, the court refused to say that the Second Amendment protected the right to have such a weapon.
For decades, federal courts overwhelmingly rejected the conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. It wasn’t until the 21st century that lower federal courts, filled with appointees of Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, started to adopt the individual-rights position. And, of course, the Supreme Court itself adopted that view in 2008, by a 5-to-4 vote.
Cautious Path
I am not saying that the court was wrong. The legal question is genuinely difficult, and people disagree in good faith how to solve it. What is important to see is that in the very recent past, the U.S. has lived through a Second Amendment revolution, spurred by an intensely focused and well-funded social movement with both legal and political arms.
More important still, the Supreme Court has proceeded cautiously, and it has pointedly refused to shut the door to all gun regulation. On the contrary, the court said, “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
To this the court added that the sorts of weapons it was protecting were those “in common use at the time” that the Second Amendment was ratified. We should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established, but a lot of gun-control legislation, imaginable or proposed, would be perfectly consistent with the court’s rulings.
In the political arena, opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly, treating it as a firm obstacle to any effort to regulate guns and bullets. As a result, they have made it difficult for Congress, and many state legislatures, even to hold serious discussions about what sorts of regulation might save lives. Consider this disturbing statement by Stephen Halbrook, a lawyer who has represented the National Rifle Association, about the very kinds of guns used in the Connecticut tragedy: “They get a lot of coverage when there’s a tragedy, but the number of people unlawfully killed with them is small.”
Reasonable people can debate about what policies would actually work. That is a debate worth having. It is past time to stop using the Second Amendment itself as a loaded weapon, threatening elected representatives who ought to be doing their jobs.
(Cass R. Sunstein, the Felix Frankfurter professor of law at Harvard University, is a Bloomberg View columnist. He is the former administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, the co-author of “Nudge” and author of “Simpler: The Future of Government,” forthcoming in 2013. The opinions expressed are his own.)
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wesmorgan1 2 weeks ago
Let me try this in small bites:
1) Even a complete prohibition on personal ownership of firearms (which will never happen in the US) will not stop a criminal or mentally disturbed person from attacking/killing others.
2) However, firearms are a “force multiplier” – they allow one to injure or kill more people, in a shorter amount of time, than do most other means of attack.
3) Thus, it is in our common interest to prevent firearms for falling into the hands of criminals or mentally disturbed individuals.
4) While no solution is perfect, there’s no reason not to take several “common sense” steps:
a) Close the “gun show loophole”. Today, 30 states allow one to walk into a gun show and purchase a weapon from a “private seller” with no background check. Some of these so-called “private sellers” have sold hundreds of weapons per year, with NO background checks.
b) Mandatory waiting period of 3-5 working days before receipt of weapon. Exceptions could be granted by local law enforcement in cases such as domestic violence, where immediate personal protection may be necessary.
c) Require that lost/stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement.
d) Enable full information sharing between the states and the Federal government where gun crimes are concerned. (There is actually legislation to the contrary on the books today.) Both Jared Loughner and Seung-Hui Cho were able to purchase firearms despite disqualifying factors (ruling of mental incompetency in Cho’s case, history of drug use for Loughner), because the information wasn’t shared between states and the Feds.
e) If you’re on the terrorist “watch list,” you can’t board a commercial airline – but you CAN purchase a firearm. That’s just nuts.
f) Specific training/certification should be required before a firearm can be purchased. Such classes wouldn’t have to center on specific weapons, but generic training in handguns, rifles, and shotguns seems a no-brainer to me. It boggles the mind that more training/practice is required to drive a car than is required to purchase/own firearms.
There’s nothing wrong with any of those proposals, and they certainly don’t seem to infringe upon the Second Amendment. I’d go a step or two further, but these steps may need Constitutional review:
1) A history of being “out of control” in public should disqualify one from owning a firearm, at least for a specific period of time.. DUI? No firearms for you. Public intoxication? Your guns are gone. Illegal drug use? Nope, you can’t be trusted with firearms. If you stay clean for, say, 5 years or so, you can petition to recover your eligibility.
2) Ditto for most psychiatric disorders requiring medication. I’m not talking about the folks who see a therapist, but rather those taking prescription medications for bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and the like. The reason is simple; even in the most positive of cases, going “off your meds” will land you in the “out of control” category.
None of this will deter a determined criminal or true psychopath, but it will deter many (if not most) of the gun crimes perpetrated by mentally disturbed individuals and “heat of the moment” attacks as well.
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Abram Balloga in reply to wesmorgan1 2 weeks ago
Regarding bullet point 4f above, training and certification has little relevance to gun violence in America. It seems that purpetrators know how to use guns – these are not instances of accidental discharge or irresponsible handling – rather tragically poor personal decisions.
“Certification” is required for concealed carry permits as well as to purchase a hunting license – with positive results.
As an instrument designed to curb violent crime, I would expect mandated training to be ineffective relative to the cost of attendence and administration.
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wesmorgan1 in reply to Abram Balloga 2 weeks ago
You’re correct – I was thinking more about security and accidental “cleaning/showing the weapon” fatalities in those cases.
I just think that, in general, training and certification should be mandatory. I’ve seen enough clowns mishandle weapons that I don’t want them to be playing hero, and proper training curbs that urge.
Requiring training/certification also cuts down on the “heat of the moment” acquisition of firearms, in that it can delay the initial purchase.
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With the reasoning that Sunstein uses, we should also ban automobiles, knives, baseball bats, alcohol, fattening foods, and our own hands. To place blame on an inanimate object is deplorable. We had 32,367 deaths to automobiles in 2011, should we ban cars? We have drownings each year, should we ban pools? We have on the average 11,000 deaths due to drunk drivers each year, should we ban alcohol? The real agenda here is to slowly erode our rights. If these talking heads were really concerned about the death of the 20 children, where were they when 26 kids died in Waco? Where are they when our government murders innocent children during drone attacks, 160 have been murdered the past two years. We all need to look at the real issue, OUR SOCIETY and how we promote violence. Once you start down the road of banning items, it is a very slippery slope and a very easy road to losing all of our rights.
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debtom in reply to M 1 week ago
Sunstein holds some pretty extreme views! He also believes the government should be able to harvest organs from anyone considered ‘brain dead’ or already dead, without approval from family, etc. He has severe positions on abortion and religious rights, etc. all of which are far from an example of the freedom this country was founded on. If Cass Sunstein could, he would rewrite the Constitution by himself and force it on everyone. It would look like a document combined from Germany in WWII, Russia, China and Cuba with Venezuela thrown in. Check out many ideas on the net…he’s scary!
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Gun fetishists have a repressed sexual connection to their “weapons”.. Trying to get them to admit that some kind of sense needs to be applied to prevent these types of tragedies, only causes them to clutch their phallic substitutes.. I mean GUNS closer to their scared little bosoms and start screaming about the second amendment as if it was some kind of Biblical commandment.
I am a gun owner (Mossberg 930 SPX) but I am not a fetishist; I understand that gun ownership is a SERIOUS undertaking. Having been in the Military, nothing scares me more than an under-educated gun owner that has zero training and less sense than a paint chip.
No-one needs 30, 40, 100 guns; if one gun won’t suffice for self-defense or for hunting, then 3 dozen won’t either. We have 290 MILLION guns in this country, will 400 million, 600 million, a BILLION make things better? No it won’t.
Look around you the next time you go on a Freeway; all those morons that can’t drive, that don’t use turn signals, that follow the car in front too closely, that are not paying attention, putting on makeup, texting etc??? You want to trust THOSE m0r0ns with guns??? SERIOUSLY?
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rob hemsing in reply to Mort Alcoil 2 weeks ago
you obviously don’t hunt if you think 1 gun is enough
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And you addressed not a single point I made. And yes, I used to hunt and one gun was all I needed. Also, you might have missed my point about being ex Military; what is that if not being a hunter of Men?
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Why on Earth would you possibly need more than one gun to hunt? That statement is not as self-explanatory as you might believe. I’m open to hearing your explanation, but is seems like one gun–one bullet, for that matter–should be sufficient to kill a deer.
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aaCharley in reply to Schmell Lion 1 week ago
People don’t use the same firearm to shoot rabbits as for moose or as for quail or for snakes or for wild hogs or for deer. Perhaps if you really knew something about it you would have an understanding.
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Why on earth would you want to kill a deer. They are all God´s creatures and if you are that hungry you can get food stamps in the USA.
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Today no one needs to hunt for food. It is all there in the supermarket. I do believe that to kill is evil and eventually we shall all pay for it.
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I agree with you on most points but one. If ‘it’ was Biblical commandment, I could easily ignore it. But it has to do with 2nd Amendment Right which is one of the basic bedrocks our nation is built on. Left wingers are always after guns when ever something to do with gun violence happens.
I know this time it feels very different because of the kids but here’s the problem I have. Everyone is talking about the guns and no one is talking about the mother who didn’t get her mental-kid some required help.
Drinking and driving don’t mix and so mental-cases and guns don’t mix.
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Time has changed. The laws or constitution needs to adapt. People in Medieval time were led to believe God had given the rights to rule to Feudal lords and they were better than commoners. Now we do believe that, do we? and the society and laws have changed, haven’t they? Adapt or perish.
The “arms” more than 200 years ago are different from the “arms”. Following your reasoning, should it be legal to own a personal nuclear or chemical weapons if some people can afford them? Nuclear/Chemical weapons do not kill people, people do?
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Nuclear/Chemical weapons shall not be part of this discussion. They are weapons of mass destruction and no individual shall have access to them.
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So you do agree there should be control in regard to what kind of arms people can own, yes?
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aaCharley in reply to Paul 1 week ago
Sure, as long as there are no restrictions on the right to own a particular type of arms that is constitutionally guaranteed, yes?
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dwinkle, * smile * 1 week ago
We have tens of thousands of letters, newspaper articles, books and speeches from the nations founding that made it blindingly clear that owning a gun is the God given right of every person in a free land and the government has no right to abuse them. To claim there is any ambiguity to the second amendments meaning is ludicrous.
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It is true that taking guns away will not stop the criminals, but it
will stop Americans from protecting themselves against the criminals who
will always have plenty of weapons.The truth is that our government IS the terrorist organization that
wants to take down America and they need to disarm Americans first.Their first step of disarming Americans has been successful in that
we in America are no longer a thinking, reasoning society with all the
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disquscrazy in reply to dC 1 week ago
It is one thing to take guns away, which seems nobody is suggesting except gun nuts are assuming that is the case. It is another to have better laws to regulate gun ownership.
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If you do not think gun regulation is the fist step to gun confiscation then you would do good to read some history books and also talk to the nations of Australia and England who under the auspice of gun control ended up taking away any kind of weapon that could only be used for certain types of hunting. The 2nd amendment is and was never about hunting it’s about allowing the populace not to be overran by a totalitarian government. Personally thank god for guns in both respects. If you think our government has been taking away our rights for the last decade then only imagine what degree it would have been taking them away if we were unarmed.
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ratiocination in reply to disquscrazy 1 week ago
Aren’t you familiar with the slippery slope? Ban people from owning surface-to-air missiles – hey, they’re firearms! – and the next thing you know, it’s black helicopters coming down from the sky.
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Hey Cass, you communist SOB, the amendment is not ambiguous at all. Militias are made up of ordinary citizens taking up arms in defense of their nation and their freedom, therefore those citizens have a right to not only own, but to brandish arms. Only tyrants seek to disarm their populaces.
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dba_vagabond_trader 1 week ago
Hey Cass, the primary purpose of the 2A,as stated by the founders, was to provide the citizenry with a buffer against government tyranny. Like the sort you and the other commies dream about.
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Nope. It’s about militias, not tyranny.
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Paul M in reply to Ben_OKC 1 week ago
Ben, do some research. Very easy with Google. Go look at what the founders SAID they meant, instead of telling us what you WISH they meant. And shut up.
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Ben_OKC in reply to Paul M 1 week ago
Oh, I know what I’m talking about. You started with the insults, cowboy.
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Paul M in reply to Ben_OKC 1 week ago
What insult was that? And you know what you’re talking about? Then you’d better explain it. Because you sound like a fool. I’ve quoted several of the founding fathers on this forum. You spew nothing but your own opinion.
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Ben_OKC in reply to Paul M 1 week ago
Normally when people tell me to shut up, I take that as an insult. I’m funny that way.
I’m done with you now. You may go.
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Van Grungy, Smarter than your average bear.. in reply to Ben_OKC 1 week ago
Militias are ALWAYS formed from the ranks of ordinary Citizens.
Militias are NEVER a standing Army of conscripted or voluntary Soldiers
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Ben_OKC in reply to Van Grungy 1 week ago
Yes, and ordinary citizens had to be given the right to purchase, keep, and bear arms, so that they could serve in the militia……and serve the Governor of the State to repel invasion and put down insurrection.
They were in service to the Sovereign. You can’t be in service to the Crown/Sovereign and at the same time resist tyranny. Tyranny comes from the Crown.
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Paul M in reply to Ben_OKC 1 week ago
Good Lord, you’re SO wrong. Again. Citizens do NOT have to be “given the right to purchase, keep, and bear arms.” As you can see by the way the amendment is worded, we already HAVE that right. It is an intrinsic right. The second amendment simply states that the government cannot infringe upon the right that we already have. Get it?
And you really believe that the founding fathers – who had just successfully conducted an armed insurrection – would strip us all of our rights so that we couldn’t rise up against our government? Once again Ben, you better go read something. This time it’s the Declaration of Independence.
“…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government…”
Any of this getting through your thick head Ben?
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dba_vagabond_trader in reply to Ben_OKC 1 week ago
Sure, armed militias to defend liberty or stand AGAINST a tyrannical government if necessary. Kind of like the reason we revolted against GB.
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Please see my response to Van Grungy. I think our problem is over the definition of tyranny.
Scholars Debate Second Amendment to US Constitution
Handguns are on display at B & J Guns in Colonie, New York, June 26, 2008. The Supreme Court ruled that Americans have a constitutional right to keep guns in their homes for self-defense.
July 23, 2012
Many early Americans feared the tyranny that a standing army might impose, so they wanted to keep military power under civilian control by allowing private citizens to keep arms.
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
But the controversy over these 27 words hinges on the interpretation of the amendment.
Individual rights
America’s Founding Fathers drew on many sources for their ideas – ancient Greece and Rome, the Italian Renaissance and more recent English philosophers.
“The question really is not, ‘Will some people be armed?’, but it’s a question of, ‘Who?’” says Stephen Halbrook, a Washington, D.C. attorney and a leading scholar of the Second Amendment. “The basic principle really was debated between Plato and Aristotle — namely, Plato wanted the ideal state of the rule of the philosopher king. Under him would be an auxiliary, or soldier force, which would enforce his will. And then, there would be the common people who Plato didn’t think were very bright versus the model that Aristotle set forth, which would be a citizenry in which all of whom participated in the body politic and a citizenry, which was also armed.”
Halbrook says the framers of the Constitution wanted to protect many of the same rights they initially enjoyed as Englishmen. In the months leading up to the American Revolution, many colonists were deprived of several freedoms, including the right to own firearms, so that the British could enforce laws many Americans considered unjust.
A well regulated militia
But for many experts, individual gun ownership was not the main issue for the framers of the Constitution.
Fordham University historian Saul Cornell says, “What’s easy to forget is that the Second Amendment actually poses an enormous burden on the citizenry.” For Cornell, the Second Amendment is more concerned with maintaining national defense through citizen militias than with protecting individual gun ownership rights.
“I don’t think that many people on either side of the modern gun debate – gun control or gun rights – really would be happy if we went back to the original meaning of the Second Amendment, because for gun control people it would involve a much greater militarization of society,” he said.
“We would be living in a country much more like Israel or Switzerland. And on the other side, it would involve much greater regulation because you could not muster the militia without regular inspections of firearms, without much more training. So you have to be careful what you wish for, because sometimes you may get it.”
Gun control debate
Americans wanting to emphasize an individual’s right to own guns stress the ‘right to bear arms’ portion of the Second Amendment, while those concerned with reducing the number of gun-related deaths in the United States by regulating gun ownership stress the ‘well regulated militia’ phrase.
David Hardy, another constitutional scholar and Arizona attorney, says the framers of the Constitution had both individual rights and citizen militias in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment.
“The First Congress and James Madison tended to shoehorn [squeeze in] a number of different guarantees into each amendment to the Constitution,” says Hardy. “The First Amendment alone protects freedom of speech, press, religious operations, freedom from the establishment of religion, freedom of assembly and of petition of the legislature. They were packing them together. The Second Amendment was two entirely separate clauses that were added together to serve two different purposes.”
Gun ownership in America has a long history. Firearms helped cowboys and settlers tame the nation’s wild west. But as the frontier vanished and a nationalized system of defense developed, the connection between citizen and soldier faded.
It might be that neither a militia nor an armed citizenry is appropriate for modern society. But it is clear that the nation’s Founding Fathers included both of these ideas in the Constitution because they intended them to be taken seriously.
And given the deeply held tradition of gun ownership in America, most analysts agree that politicians are unlikely to support additional gun control legislation, particularly ahead of this year’s national elections, even in the wake of the recent shooting in Colorado.
1) The phrase “the right of the people to keep and bear Amrs” can be understood as a further metioning to the previous idea “A well-regulated Militia” as it is linked with the previous phrase without a conjunctive word “and” and thus “the right to keep and bear Arms” can be interpreted as recognized for the people collectively in the Militia, not individually.
2) If “the right to keep and bear Arms” is interpreted as recognized for each individual as seen by the cowboys in the West Frontier in the past, it is still possible to prevent a deranged individual from conducting mass murder if one of the armed individuals reacts in time (like the cowboys in the past) by shooting dead that individual before he can go on killing more people. Thus, if many individuals can bring guns with them anywhere they go, it is possible to prevent mass murder crimes as other individuals can react fast to protect themselves and other individuals under threat.
“The car being necessary to get to work, the right of me to walk shall never be infringed.”
“Payment being necessary to attend an event, the right of the people to walk by and hear it from outside shall not be infringed.”
“The necessity of a branch of government to be armed, the people’s right to be armed shall not be infringed.”
This in no way implies only those people that are part of the branch of government, any more then my legs are a car, or someone outside unpaid is the same as inside paid at the event.
All other interpretations ignore the context, federalist papers and impose their own opinions. It is not even sane to suggest they need to spell out that the nations militia (army, since they envisioned NO standing army, as we have and had anyway, since it was unavoidable, need to be armed).
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Rewriting the Second AmendmentStephen P. HalbrookPublished in American Rifleman, Oct. 2001, pp. 48-49, 88-89Attorney General Ashcroft states that “the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms.”
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, stated U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft in a letter to NRA-ILA Executive Director James Jay Baker dated May 17, 2001. Faced with that reality, the Violence Policy Center (VPC), a small gun-ban lobby, has discharged a superficial attack notable only for its flawed historical interpretation.
Despite the fact that the Attorney General did not comment on the case, the VPC launched an attack on the opinion by Judge Sam Cummings in United States v. Emerson, which is now on appeal in the Fifth Circuit. The court held the Second Amendment to invalidate a federal law prohibiting firearm possession by a person against whom a domestic violence restraining order has been entered without benefit of a hearing and with no factual finding of danger by the court.
Judge Cummings’ opinion is unequaled in its scholarship and analysis of federal jurisprudence concerning the Second Amendment, and VPC offers up federal decisions stating the Second Amendment only protects a “collective” state power to maintain militias. It fails to mention that such statements are typically dicta in cases upholding convictions against felons in possession of firearms. No federal court has ever upheld a general prohibition by law-abiding citizens of firearms.
VPC also cites some district courts that have rejected Emerson, but the fact remains that Emerson is the only decision squarely to face the music-the text of the Second Amendment, the Framers’ intent and the relevant U.S. Supreme Court decisions.
Attorney General Ashcroft states that “the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms.” VPC claims that this contradicts United States v. Miller. But Miller held only that absent evidence in the trial court that a sawed-off shotgun “at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.” The test was not whether the person in possession of the arm was a member of a formal militia unit, but whether the arm “at this time” is “ordinary military equipment” or its use “could” potentially assist in the common defense.
Referring to the Constitution’s militia clause, Miller stated that “to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made.” Also, members of the militia “were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” Contrary to VPC, the Second Amendment’s two clauses complement each other; guaranteeing the right of the people to keep and bear arms ensures that a wellregulated militia will be available.
VPC claims its “collective” right theory is supported by certain “eminent scholars.” But not a single one of these “eminent scholars” has published a book on the Second Amendment, and the Standard Model among scholars is the individual right interpretation.
No scholar or court has argued seriously that the Second Amendment guarantees a “right” to join or bear arms in the National Guard or a state militia-such organizations make their own recruitment and employment decisions. This argument, contrived in the 20th century to emasculate the Second Amendment, has never been taken seriously on the merits. On the other hand, the Standard Model is buttressed by two books and scores of scholarly articles.
The Attorney General states that the individual right “view of the text comports with the all but unanimous understanding of the Founding Fathers.” He cites one reference in the Revolutionary period and three in 1788, the period of the Constitution’s ratification. VPC can only complain that the references were not from 1791, the year the Second Amendment was finally ratified. Yet the Bill of Rights is explained by the rights colonists claimed during the Revolution, by the explanations of the Constitution’s proponents, and by the demands for a bill of rights during its ratification period, particularly in 1788. The Bill of Rights was proposed and debated in Congress in 1789.
Ashcroft quotes George Mason at the Virginia ratification convention in 1788: “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people … To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” VPC claims Mason is 11 misquoted” because the two statements were made two days apart, but both quotations are authentic and relate to the same subject. Mason recalled:
“Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia.”
It is clear that Mason was concerned-as is the Second Amendment-both with encouraging a popular militia and guaranteeing the personal right to possess arms. Mason asked:
“Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table [the Constitution] gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor. … “
For Mason, promoting a militia of the whole people would be met in part by guaranteeing the individual right of all people to keep and bear arms. Accordingly, he and others persuaded the Virginia convention to demand a federal bill of rights asserting “the essential and unalienable rights of the people” including: “That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state. …”
Incredibly, VPC asserts that “Mason took the position that a national government should have the power to disarm the people,” and that “he understood the general pol ulation will be unarmed.” VPC has completely turned upside down the Framers’ explanations and objectives. VPC cannot cite a single one of the Founding Fathers who asserted its argument, for not one did so.
Ashcroft states: “In early decisions, the United States Supreme Court routinely indicated that the right protected by the Second Amendment applied to individuals.” Four cases-United States a Cruikshank (1876), Logan v. United States (1892), Miller v. Texas (1893) and Robertson v. Baldwin (1897)-are cited, each one of which presupposed a personal right and none of which stated that the right exists only during active militia service. In that last case, the Court stated:
“The law is perfectly well settled that the first ten Amendments to the constitution, commonly known as the Bill of Rights, were not intended to lay down any novel principles of government, but simply to embody certain guarantees and immunities which we had inherited from our English ancestors …..”
Does VPC suggest that the power of states to maintain militias is a guarantee which we “inherited from our English ancestors,” given that England did not even have states” Once again, the Supreme Court’s clear language precludes VPC’s spin.
The Ashcroft letter continues: “As recently as 1986, the United States Congress and President Ronald Reagan explicitly adopted this view in the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act.” The act states, “The Congress finds that the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms under the second amendment to the United States Constitution … require additional legislation to correct existing firearms statutes and enforcement policies.” This finding was amply supported by The Right to Keep and Bear Arms, a 1982 report of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution. It found:
“The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first halfcentury after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.”
VPC writes as if Congress’ 1986 declaration was an anomaly, but in fact Congress has passed similar declarations in pursuit of its duty to interpret the Constitution when it passes legislation. Following the Civil War, slave codes were reenacted which made it illegal for blacks to exercise basic civil rights, including the possession of firearms. Congress responded by passing the Freedmen’s Bureau Act of 1866, which provided:
“the right . to have full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings concerning personal liberty, personal security, and the acquisition, enjoyment, and disposition of estate, real and personal, including the constitutional right to bear arms, shall be secured to and enjoyed by all the citizens of such State or district without respect to race or color or previous condition of slavery.” (Emphasis added)
This was approved by the same votes of over two-thirds of members of Congress who voted in favor of the 14th Amendment. Sen. Jacob Howard, when introducing the Amendment, explained that its purpose was to protect “personal rights” such as “the right to keep and bear arms” from state infringement.
In 1941, just before Pearl Harbor, Congress authorized the President to requisition property from the private sector on payment of fair compensation. The Property Requisition Act prohibited any construction “(1) to authorize the requisitioning or require the registration of any firearms possessed by any individual for his personal protection or sport (and the possession of which is not prohibited or the registration of which is not required by existing law), [or] (2) to impair or infringe in any manner the right of any individual to keep and bear arms….”
Committee Rept. No. 1120 [to accompany S. 1579], House Committee on Military Affairs, 77th Cong., 1 st Sess., at 2 (Aug. 4, 1941) explained: “In view of the fact that certain totalitarian and dictatorial nations are now engaged in the willful and wholesale destruction of personal rights and liberties, our committee deem it appropriate for the Congress to expressly state that the proposed legislation shall not be construed to impair or infringe the constitutional right of the people to bear arms … . There is no disposition on the part of this Government to depart from the concepts and principles of personal rights and liberties expressed in our Constitution.”
In short, as a co-equal branch of government, the Congress has enacted declarations making clear that the Second Amendment protects a fundamental civil right. Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan respectively signed two of these enactments. VPC’s implication that such declarations are unprecedented and of no weight simply ignores Congress’ historic and constitutional duty to interpret the Constitution in the first instance.
Ashcroft writes: “Significantly, the individual rights view is embraced by the preponderance of legal scholarship on the subject, which, I note, includes articles by academics on both ends of the political spectrum.” He cites law review articles by Professors Van Alstyne, Amar, Cottrol & Diamond, Levinson and Kates. VPC tries but cannot refute what is accepted as the Standard Model of the Second Amendment as an individual right. Hardly any of the professors cited by VPC who lent their names to the amicus brief in Emerson have published anything on the Second Amendment.
VPC concludes its attack by grumbling that several of Ashcroft’s quotes were the same as presented by the district court in Emerson. Of course they are – these are significant statements in the history of the Second Amendment. The VPC can’t stand this recognition of historical reality. And it can’t stand an Attorney General who honors his oath to uphold the Constitution, not re-write it.





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ORIGINS volume 1 issue 5 [back to article]
The Second Amendment Goes to Court
by Saul Cornell
Editor’s Note:
For the first time in nearly three quarters of a century, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear arguments in a case involving gun control and the 2nd amendment. The case comes amidst swirling scholarly debates over the history and meaning of the 2nd amendment. In this month’s essay, Constitutional historian Saul Cornell describes the shifting nature of 2nd amendment scholarship over the last several years, and grounds the 2nd amendment more fully in its historical context.
Readers may also be interested in this 1994 Origins article on the history of gun laws in America.
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Few issues in America public life are more emotionally charged than guns and no subject within this political maelstrom is more bitterly contested than the Second Amendment. Although it is hard to imagine this issue heating up any further, it is about to get red-hot.
Earlier this year, the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia struck down the District of Columbia’s local gun-control law on Second Amendment grounds. The D.C. Court is only the second Appeals Court to affirm that the Second Amendment protects an individual (as opposed to collective) right to bear arms, and the first one to actually strike down an existing gun control law on this basis. The case is now heading to the Supreme Court, which has not taken a Second Amendment case in almost seventy years. District of Columbia v Heller will likely shape the contours of future discussions of gun control for decades to come. [http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=DC_v._Heller ] It might even have an impact on the dynamics of the 2008 presidential election. For better or worse, history—the history of the 2nd amendment and the history of how Americans have interpreted it—is also likely to be at the heart of the case.
Two Interpretations
The Second Amendment reads: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” What do these words mean? Well, the answer to this question depends on who you ask. Supporters of the so-called collective rights interpretation believe that the Second Amendment only protects the right to bear arms within the context of well regulated militias. Supporters of the so-called “individual right” interpretation view the right to bear arms as a right vested in individuals, much like the 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech.
The fact that there are two such divergent interpretations is the result of significant changes in how Americans view the 2nd Amendment that occurred during the latter part of the twentieth century. For most of the last century, the meaning of the Second Amendment was not particularly controversial: the courts, legal scholars, politicians, and historians endorsed some version of the collective rights interpretation. As late as 1991, Chief Justice Warren Burger described the individual rights view as an intellectual fraud. Yet, the growth of a revisionist individual rights theory of the Second Amendment in the years since Burger made his comment has been nothing short of astonishing. http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=e8997807-107b-461f-90d2-51a3ef91b508
This view was originally propagated by gun rights activists such as Stephen Halbrook, Don Kates, and David Kopel whose research was funded by libertarian think tanks and the National Rifle Association (NRA).
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/
http://www.independent.org/aboutus/person_detail.asp?id=739
http://www.davekopel.com/
In the decade before Burger’s attack, these activists had published law review articles at a dizzying rate arguing for an individual rights view. The NRA even endowed a chair in Second Amendment studies at George Mason Law School with the express purpose of supporting this viewpoint. As the paper trail supporting this view grew longer, the individualist perspective started to gain some traction among prominent liberals. http://www.law.gmu.edu/currnews/nlund.html
When Harvard Law School’s Lawrence Tribe, a renowned liberal, acknowledged the legitimacy of this view in 2005, the long road from Burger’s “intellectual fraud” to constitutional mainstream had ended. There is no doubt that the individual rights view is now eminently respectable. http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1117011910589
For several reasons, opponents of this interpretation were slow to respond: confidence that the individual rights view would never attract judicial notice, a general decline in interest in constitutional history outside law schools, and a general lack of funds to support research on this topic all hampered scholarship. Despite these obstacles, historians began to turn their attention to the Second Amendment and new funding for research on this topic led to a revival of scholarly interest and a more robust debate. http://cklawreview.com/issues/archive-vols-74-76/vol-76-no-1/
Scholarship on the Second Amendment is now is deeply divided. Indeed, there is currently a broad spectrum of views on the meaning of the Second Amendment running from an expansive individual rights view to the traditional collective rights view, and a host of new positions somewhere in the middle. While many law professors support the individual rights view, most historians reject this interpretation as an anachronistic reading of the amendment and its history.
To render a decision in DC v Heller, the Supreme Court will need to wade through this immense body of scholarship, and it will not be an easy task. The Justices will be forced to make decisions about 2nd Amendment history: to choose between a version of the past presented by historians and a rather different version of history presented by gun rights advocates.
From Miller to Heller: Guns and the Supreme Court
The current case before the Court tests the District of Columbia’s gun control law—one of the strictest in the nation. The District’s law was enacted in 1976 in an effort to reduce the city’s terrible rates of violent crime. It makes it virtually impossible legally to own a handgun and requires that all firearms be locked up.
The last time a Second Amendment case came before the Court, the issue was not a local law but a federal gun control law that dealt with so called “gangster weapons” such as machine guns. In United States v. Miller (1939), the court ruled (in convoluted language) that the Second Amendment had to be interpreted with regard to the “obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces [well regulated militias], the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.” http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/millervus.html
The defendants in that case were charged with the crime of transporting and possessing an unregistered sawed off shotgun, in violation of the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § 1132. One of the factors weighing in Miller was that the weapon was clearly not typically associated with use in the militia and therefore was not protected by the 2nd Amendment. (Since the Court’s ruling in Miller gun rights advocates have argued that shot guns were military weapons useful in trench warfare, but it is doubtful that a sawed off shotgun owned by two criminals would really pass the Miller test.)
In Heller, the Court must decide if the Second Amendment protects the right to own a hand gun. Given the popularity of hand guns this issue touches a larger segment of the gun owning population (somewhere around 20 percent of US households have handguns.) Gun control supporters read Miller to require that a weapon be of a type associated with the militia and be used in some militia related activity. Gun rights advocates argue that Miller only requires that the weapon be of a type associated with militia activity. Thus, Heller’s lawyer’s claim that the 2nd Amendment bars a ban on hand guns because it is a type of gun used by some members of the militia (the modern National Guard).
The Individualist Interpretation and the Great American Gun Debate
No First Amendment scholar would argue that we ought to interpret freedom of the press exactly as the Founders understood it. Yet, claims like this are common in Second Amendment scholarship where the original meaning of the Amendment seems to figure more centrally than in other areas of constitutional law. In part the propensity toward originalism—the theory that we ought to interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning—mirrors the ideology of modern conservative thought. Originalism fits with conservatism because it provides a strong critique of the modern regulatory state created after the New Deal. Second Amendment originalism also draws on a potent set of myths associated with America’s past, particularly the idea of the Minuteman. Thus, gun rights sites on the internet invariably carry images of the Minuteman. (Although these images are generally drawn from the individualistic and romantic 19th century memorials to the Minuteman and have little to do with the real Minutemen who were part of the Founding era’s well regulated militia.) http://www.gunowners.org/
Ironically, the originalist arguments in favor of an individual rights view of the Second Amendment are probably the intellectually weakest arguments to support this position. One could make a much stronger and intellectually more interesting argument in support of an individual rights view if one adopted a living constitution argument. Supporters of a living constitution believe we ought to interpret the Constitution according to modern concerns and beliefs, recognizing that America has changed radically since the 18th century. Polling data over the last few decades have consistently shown that most Americans believe the Second Amendment protects an individual right. http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
It would be easy to imagine a theory of the 2nd Amendment that defended this right as part of a living Constitution that has evolved toward a more individualistic conception of rights. Yet, most gun rights advocates eschew this line of argument in favor of originalist historical claims about the Second Amendment. In part this decision reflects the underlying political ideologies behind gun rights. Libertarians and social conservatives, the two groups most closely identified with the individual rights view, are generally uncomfortable with living constitutional arguments because the idea of an evolving constitution has been closely associated with modern liberalism over the past century.
There are problems, however, with this reliance on an originalist interpretation: it rests on a distorted view of the past. Consider some of the claims made by gun rights supporters. No figure has been more abused by Second Amendment originalists than Thomas Jefferson. As one gun rights advocate noted: “It is clear Jefferson was strongly in favor of personal arms. In June of 1796, Thomas Jefferson wrote to George Washington, ‘one loves to possess arms.’” This quote has been cited by four different pro-individual rights scholars in law reviews. The quote is accurate, but it is clearly taken out of context. In a forthcoming article in the Albany Government Law Journal, historian David Konig points out that this quote had nothing to do with firearms. Jefferson was actually talking metaphorically, about having all of the facts one needed in an argument—going into an argument with all the right “ammunition.” http://podcasts.classcaster.org/blog/event_podcasts
http://www.guncite.com/journals/bk-ufire.html
Individual rights supporters also invoke the authority of the 1776 Pennsylvania Constitution, the first state constitution to protect the right to bear arms, to support the notion that bearing arms was not typically understood at the time of its writing to refer to arms used in conjunction with military purposes. The Pennsylvania declaration of Rights asserted that:
“That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/states/pa08.htm
Invariably, quotes of this provision by gun rights supporters do not include anything after the semi-colon. If one reads the entire provision, however, it is clear that the right to bear arms in defense of the state and themselves, was tied to the eighteenth century opposition to standing armies. This provision was unconnected to the question of private guns used for private purposes. Indeed, the Pennsylvania Constitution treats the use of firearms for hunting in a separate provision.
Additional evidence that the Pennsylvania provision did not mean what gun rights advocates think it means comes from the work of the historian Nathan Kozuskanich. His study of the origins of the Pennsylvania Constitution conclusively shows that the state’s arms bearing provision was framed by backcountry Pennsylvanians who had been in a protracted battle with the Quaker dominated legislature before the War of Independence. Quakers were religious pacifists who opposed using violence to settle conflicts. (Quakers even opposed hunting for sport, but accepted that one might hunt for sustenance.) The Quakers refused to enact a militia law and backcountry residents complained bitterly that without a militia they lacked the arms to defend the state and themselves against hostile Indians. Pennsylvanians wished to be able to protect their communities and wanted the state to pass a militia law. The individual right of self defense, something well established under English common law, was simply not an issue in Pennsylvania during the Revolutionary era. http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/view.cgi?osu1133196585
Finally, one often hears the puzzling claim that none of the great nineteenth century commentators on the Constitution accepted the militia-based reading of the Second Amendment. This would have come as a shock to the most influential 19th century commentator, Justice Joseph Story. In his landmark Commentaries on the Constitution, Story not only described the Second Amendment as the “palladium of liberty” but he went on to note:
“And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights.”
Story’s invocation of the grand palladium of liberty concerned the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia, and had nothing to do with hand guns or other weapons owned primarily for individual self defense. It was the absence of regulation, not too much regulation that Story feared. All too often, when gun rights advocates and their scholarly allies quote Story they truncate his quote. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendIIs10.html
Whatever the Supreme Court decides to do in the Heller case it is important that the history they use is complete and accurate.
Simplicity vs. Complexity
One of the biggest problems with the Second Amendment debate is that a genuinely historical understanding of this issue requires one to accept that historical truth is seldom simple: so many overlapping shades of grey rather than stark blacks and whites. The effectiveness of the gun rights argument rests on its utter simplicity and refusal to engage with historical complexity. If one reads the comments sections on any of a dozen gun rights blogs one sees the same quotes and arguments recycled time and again. (There is a remarkably strong gun rights presence in cyberspace. Gun control supporters seem to have other hobbies.) For gun rights advocates, there is one interpretation and all the evidence points in that one direction. If this were actually true, then the Second Amendment would be unique in American constitutional history since it would be the only part of the constitution whose meaning was never contested and never changed in the time between the Founding era and the modern period.
Given that the language of individual rights is now everywhere in modern America, it is hard to explain the historical meaning of the Second Amendment, which is the product of a different era when the language of rights was not nearly as individualistic as it has become. This difference in the meaning of “rights” from the 18th to the 21st centuries is crucial to making sense of the 2nd Amendment today. Consider the language of the original draft of the first five amendments to the Constitution that Congress proposed in 1791. (The term “Bill of Rights” is itself a later name that was only applied to the first ten amendments in the nineteenth century.)
Article the First.
After the first enumeration, required by the first Article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.Article the Second.
No law varying the compensation to the members of Congress, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.Article the Third.
Congress shall make no law establishing religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, nor shall the rights of Conscience be infringed.Article the Fourth.
The Freedom of Speech, and of the Press, and the right of the People peaceably to assemble, and consult for their common good, and to apply to the Government for a redress of grievances, shall not be infringed.Article the Fifth.
A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch14s54.html
The most obvious fact about this list is that what we know as the Second Amendment was originally the Fifth. Also, the first two Amendments do not have anything to do with individual rights.
The language of the original assembly clause, which shares with our Second Amendment the phrase “right of the people” bears close scrutiny. Rather than frame the right to assemble in individualistic terms, the right is framed in civic terms. It is a right of the people to assemble for a particular public purpose, “to consult for the common good, and apply to the government for a redress of grievances.” The phrasing of this right captures the importance of civic republican ideas to the founding generation.
The civic republican political philosophy of the Founding era stressed the need for individuals to sacrifice some measure of their liberty for the common good. As one writer in an eighteenth century newspaper observed, “If, indeed, government were really strengthened by such surrender” of rights, and “if the body of the people were made more secure, or more happy by the means, we ought to make the sacrifice.” Moreover, “if the good of his country should require it; and every individual in the community ought to strip himself of some convenience for the sake of the public good.”
The original language of the assembly clause of what became the First Amendment embodied this civic republican ideal. The right of assembly was originally understood in civic terms. The emphasis is not on individual rights, but rather the rights of citizens acting together for a common public purpose. Individuals acting in isolation do not assemble; nor do individuals acting in isolation bear arms. In this sense, assembly and bearing arms were closer to jury service, than freedom of religion or speech. Both activities were originally understood to be closely tied to a distinctive republican conception of constitutionalism.
It is also worth noting that the original provision on arms bearing had an exemption for those who opposed bearing arms on religious grounds. The inclusion of this language indicates that the original Second Amendment had nothing to do with an individual right to use guns for private purposes. The state cannot force you to hunt or defend yourself; you can only be “scrupulous” about bearing arms in some military context. Indeed, the entire discussion of the right to bear arms in Congress at that time focused on militia-related activity. Indeed, recent scholarship has demonstrated that the Congress during the Founding era used the term “bear arms” to refer exclusively to military matters. {Dorf in the Chicago-Kent link listed above}
The idea of bearing arms in the Second Amendment was not part of a libertarian anti-government ideology, but rather it was an essential part of what the Founders called “well regulated liberty.” This was the world of the Minutemen, not the Michigan militia. As historian David Hackett Fischer notes, the Minuteman ethos was one in which collective rights and individual responsibility predominated. Our world has become quite the opposite: one in which individual rights and collective responsibilities predominate. This shift in values and approach makes it especially hard to make sense of the Second Amendment in contemporary America.
The Second Amendment fits neither the modern individual nor collective rights models, making it hard to interpret. The best way to describe the original conception of this right would be to think of it as a civic right. It was a distinctive fusion of a right and civic obligation. In contrast to genuinely individual rights, such as freedom of speech, the state could force you to bear arms. It was for this reason that the first state constitutions also provided religious exemptions for Quakers and other religious groups opposed to bearing arms. http://blog.oup.com/2007/09/gun_culture/
The important question before the Supreme Court is how to translate the Second Amendment in modern terms that remains faithful to the nuances of the original text, without turning it into a nullity or anachronism. The Court’s task is neither enviable nor easy.
Guns and American Exceptionalism
The American gun debate looks puzzling to the rest of the world. Indeed, guns may be the one area where American politics is truly exceptional. There is simply nothing like America’s gun culture in any other part of the western world. America has more guns, higher levels of gun violence, and is the only western constitution where anyone would compare the right to have firearms with freedom of speech and not be considered daft or politically marginal.
Although guns appear to have become as American as apple pie, the rancor of America’s debate over firearms policy is wholly out of proportion to the actual level of gun regulation in America. Reading gun rights web sites or listening to the Republican candidates for President talk, you would think that America was on the verge of some type of mass gun confiscation. Whatever you might think about gun control – put that notion out of your mind. With over two hundred millions guns in America there is no plausible scenario to turn America into a gun free zone, even if such a goal was politically possible or desirable from a public policy perspective. Indeed, America has the weakest gun regulatory regime in the industrialized west (and the highest levels of gun violence—although the cause and effect relationship between these two facts is almost as hotly debated as the Second Amendment issue.)
The District of Columbia’s gun control law is a notable exception to this rule. It is one of the few gun control regulations in the U.S. similar in scope to those found in almost every other industrial democracy in the world. The District of Columbia is at the center of American political life so its gun laws have tremendous symbolic importance to both gun control and gun rights advocates. In this way, the symbolism of Heller may ultimately outweigh its potential impact on gun control in America. Whatever happens in Heller, some types of restrictions on gun ownership are likely to survive constitutional scrutiny. Similarly, whatever happens in Heller, gun rights advocates and gun control supporters are likely to continue their struggles with renewed vigor.
The great loser in the American gun debate is the American people. Neither side in the modern debate over the Second Amendment has developed either a solid constitutional theory or a corresponding public policy agenda that speaks to the two inescapable realities about modern America: guns are deeply woven into the fabric of modern American society and America has an intolerably high level of gun violence. Until public debate addresses these two inter-related problems we will make little progress on the gun issue.
What Will the Court Do?
It is impossible to say how the Supreme Court will decide the case of District of Columbia v Heller. It seems most likely the court will be divided and some coalition among the moderates will try to stake out a middle ground between the orthodox gun rights and gun control positions.
Much will depend on what Justice Anthony Kennedy thinks about the Second Amendment. At least one former Kennedy clerk speculates that the Justice is likely to find that the Second Amendment protects a limited individual right subject to very robust levels of regulation. Under this theory, the DC gun control law might pass constitutional muster. Alternatively, the High Court may accept that the Second Amendment only protects weapons owned in connection with a government controlled militia. If that happens the DC gun law should survive intact. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/26/opinion/courtwatch/main3539301.shtml
Another possibility, but less likely, is that the DC law might be constitutional under the Second Amendment, but the Court might still choose to find some other way of protecting the interests of gun owners in the District of Columbia (The Court might turn to the un-enumerated rights protected by the 9th or the ideals of liberty articulated in the 14th Amendments). Whatever the Supreme Court decides, it seems likely that neither side in this issue is likely to get all that it wants from the Court. The debate will continue on, with its lobbyists and vested interests on both sides cranking up fund raising letters before the ink on the opinion is dry.
Please see Saul Cornell’s book A Well-Regulated Militia: The Founding Fathers and the Origins of Gun Control in America for a more detailed discussion of the history of the Second Amendment
Or visit the Second Amendment Research Center
To view references to Saul Cornell’s research in the Heller Decision, please follow these links:
- Amicus Brief for the Heller Case co-authored by Saul Cornell: http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/07-08/07-290_PetitionerAmCuRakove.pdf
- Heller Decision: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
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2nd Amendment: Something for Everyone : Guns: Scholarly research supports the intention to have an armed citizenry; ironically, that could make control easier.
The Nov. 8 Republican victory brought with it GOP vows to emasculate landmark gun laws, including the Brady bill. Even if the threats prove to be only rhetoric, this is a good time to give the Second Amendment some serious thought.
This constitutional provision guaranteeing the right to keep and bear arms was until recently dismissed as obsolete by academics, pundits and policy-makers. Yet on examination, the Second Amendment offers answers to today’s gun debate that are likely to please neither pro- nor anti-gun control zealots.
This point was made in a 1989 Yale Law Journal article by Sanford Levinson titled “The Embarrassing Second Amendment.” Although generally considered a left-leaning scholar, Levinson raised tough questions about how the Second Amendment has been wished away. Law professors who had previously ignored the subject began researching and holding conferences. There isn’t complete agreement, but the outlines of what the Second Amendment means are now clear. Its purpose was to ensure an armed citizenry. This wasn’t to prevent crime, or encourage hunting, or defend the country against invasion; it was to ensure that the government didn’t have a monopoly on force. With an armed populace, tyranny was thought unlikely. As Justice Joseph Story said, the right to keep and bear arms is “the palladium of liberties of a republic.” Or, as Thomas Jefferson said, “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
Regardless of whether gun ownership promotes crime, the Second Amendment seriously limits gun control–just as the First Amendment bars censoring crime reporting even though news reports sometimes promote “copycat” crimes. And the argument from both sides about preserving “legitimate sporting and hunting” misses the mark: The Second Amendment isn’t about hunting ducks. Nor are weapons that are “only good for killing people” exempted from the Second Amendment’s protection; they are at its core. The framers believed it was important for the people to have weapons that were good for killing, because they thought it essential for the populace to be able to defend itself against an oppressive government.
This won’t please either pro- or anti-gun forces. Many gun-control opponents are hunters; they won’t enjoy hearing that the Second Amendment is not about hunting. Nor is it a barrier to every kind of firearms regulation, any more than the First Amendment prohibits all regulation of speech. While the Second Amendment pretty clearly bans the sort of wholesale prohibition of firearms supported by some gun-control activists, it wouldn’t prohibit reasonable regulation and licensing laws. In colonial times, all citizens were required to have arms and to present them for inspection once or twice a year.
If the government could require citizens to show up in person for inspection, it’s hard to argue that it can’t require citizens to fill out a form. The right to bear arms was always limited to the law-abiding. So similar provisions would clearly pass muster today. Gun-control advocates, meanwhile, seem especially upset by private ownership of “military-style” weapons. But this is what the framers meant to protect: The semi-automatic assault weapons that they most dislike would thus be protected under the Second Amendment.
Of course, some say the Second Amendment is obsolete. But with armed citizens, this country has enjoyed a longer period of peace and stability than any other, while millions of citizens have been killed in this century by the authorities in European nations often held up as models of civilization by gun controllers. Had the millions of Jews and Gypsies annihilated by Nazis possessed weapons, their fate might have been different. Today, from Bosnia, to Cambodia, to Tian An Men Square, the enslavement or annihilation of the weak by the strong seems the rule, not the exception, and there is no reason that this country will always be immune.
Could armed citizens resist a tyrannical government now? True, modern armies have tanks and helicopters and civilians don’t, but from Vietnam, to Lebanon, to Afghanistan, modern armies have consistently lost to armed civilians. So the role of an armed citizenry may not be obsolete.
Ironically, if we take the Second Amendment seriously it may actually make some gun controls easier. So far (as November’s elections proved), barriers to gun control have been political, not constitutional. And opponents have been energized by their well-founded fear that many gun-control advocates want to outlaw guns completely. If the Supreme Court explicitly recognizes the right to keep and bear arms, fear of confiscation might go away, and reasonable regulations–those that would disarm criminals, not honest citizens–might fare better.
What’s missing in today’s polarized debate is trust. Gun-control advocates portray gun owners as depraved merely because they own guns; gun owners oppose any form of control because they see it as a step toward confiscation. Strong recognition of the right to bear arms might heal this breach and let us do something constructive.
The Lost Amendment
The debate over the Second Amendment has been fierce and terrible, with bad arguments on both sides, and bad will all around. It began in the nineteen-sixties, when there was a great deal of violence and much concern about it. It took another turn on Friday, when, at the N.R.A.’s annual meeting, in St. Louis, Newt Gingrich said, “The Second Amendment is an amendment for all mankind.”
As I wrote in this week’s New Yorker, no amendment received less attention in the courts in the two centuries following the adoption of the Bill of Rights than the Second, except the Third (which dealt with billeting soldiers in private homes). It used to be known as the “lost amendment,” because hardly anyone ever wrote about it. The assertion that the Second Amendment protects a person’s right to own and carry a gun for self-defense, rather than the people’s right to form militias for the common defense, first became a feature of American political and legal discourse in the wake of the Gun Control Act of 1968, and only gained prominence in the nineteen-seventies. A milestone in its development came when Orrin Hatch, serving on Strom Thurmond’s Senate Judiciary Committee, became chair of the Subcommittee on the Constitution. Hatch commissioned a history of the Second Amendment, resulting in a 1982 report, “The Right to Keep and Bear Arms,” which concluded, “What the Subcommittee on the Constitution uncovered was clear—and long lost—proof that the second amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms.”
During the nineteen-eighties, this interpretation, which came to be known as the individual-rights argument, gained the attention of several distinguished law-school professors, including, most notably, Sanford Levinson, whose 1989 essay, “The Embarrassing Second Amendment,” was published in the Yale Law Journal. Levinson suggested that legal scholars’ long-standing inattention (“To put it mildly, the Second Amendment is not at the forefront of constitutional discussion,” he remarked), was probably political:
I cannot help but suspect that the best explanation for the absence of the Second Amendment from the legal consciousness of the elite bar, including that component found in the legal academy, is derived from a mixture of sheer opposition to the idea of private ownership of guns and the perhaps subconscious fear that altogether plausible, perhaps even ‘winning,’ interpretations of the Second Amendment would present real hurdles to those of us supporting prohibitory regulation.
Levinson also discussed what is called an insurrectionist interpretation, in which the Second Amendment is thought to allow for a militia of armed citizens standing “ready to defend republican liberty against the depredations” of a government become tyrannical. Levinson didn’t endorse either the individual or insurrectionist views, nor did he dismiss them. Instead, he urged scholars to take them seriously. His essay was essentially a plea for reasoned debate: “Is not, after all, the possibility of serious, engaged discussion about political issues at the heart of what is most attractive in both liberal and republican versions of politics?”
The tragedies at Waco in 1993 and in Oklahoma City in 1995, both of which involved a modern militia movement, brought the insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment to the public’s attention and prompted vigorous critiques. In “To Keep and Bear Arms,” an essay published in The New York Review of Books five months after Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Federal Building, Garry Wills called Levinson’s essay, which had been embraced by the N.R.A., “frivolous,” and reported that he found “a vast outpouring of articles justifying individual gun ownership on the basis of the Second Amendment” to be muddled and tendentious. Wills also noted that, in advancing gun-rights arguments, the same people who offered the individual-rights interpretation usually also endorsed the insurrectionist one. “Only madmen, one would think, can suppose that militias have a constitutional right to levy war against the United States, which is treason by constitutional definition,” Wills wrote. “Yet the body of writers who proclaim themselves at the scholarly center of the Second Amendment’s interpretation say that a well-regulated body authorized by the government is intended to train itself for action against the government.” As to whether those who advocate these positions had been ignored, Wills wrote, “Perhaps it is the quality of their arguments that makes them hard to take seriously.”
In the first decade of the twenty-first century, American historians who disagreed with the individual and insurrectionist interpretations of the Second Amendment began to take them more seriously when it became clear that a conservative judiciary was taking them seriously, and that a test case would reach the Supreme Court. An important statement of what is generally referred to as the collective-rights interpretation—the idea that what the Second Amendment protects is the people’s collective right to keep and bear arms to form militias for the common defense—is an amicus curiae submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2008 case of District of Columbia v. Heller, signed by fifteen eminent university professors of early American history, including Pauline Maier, Fred Anderson, and Pulitzer Prizes winners Jack Rakove and Alan Taylor. It concludes,
Historians are often asked what the Founders would think about various aspects of contemporary life. Such questions can be tricky to answer. But as historians of the Revolutionary era we are confident at least of this: that the authors of the Second Amendment would be flabbergasted to learn that in endorsing the republican principle of a well-regulated militia, they were also precluding restrictions on such potentially dangerous property as firearms, which governments had always regulated when there was “real danger of public injury from individuals.”
The different weight the Court gave to these different interpretations is suggested by its decision in Heller. Justice Scalia, writing for the majority, determined that, “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia.”
How Heller will be interpreted is as yet unclear. In “Dead or Alive,” a 2008 essay in the Harvard Law Review, Reva B. Siegel instructively situated the decision within the history of originalism and reflected on the tension between conservatives’ championing of gun rights as a social issue and their condemnation of judicial activism. After Waco and Oklahoma City, the insurrectionist argument faded somewhat. But the individual-rights interpretation, as Siegel observed, prevailed not only in the courts but also in public opinion. A 2008 poll found that nearly three-quarters of American adults believe that the Second Amendment protects the right of an individual to own a gun.
In his remarks before the N.R.A. last week, Gingrich offered a human-rights interpretation of the Second Amendment. “A Gingrich presidency,” he said, “will submit to the United Nations a treaty that extends the right to bear arms as a human right for every person on the planet.”
The United States has the highest rate of civilian gun ownership in the world, twice that of the country with the second highest rate, which is Yemen. The United States also has the highest homicide rate of any affluent democracy, nearly four times higher than France or the United Kingdom, six times higher than Germany. In the United States in 2008, guns were involved in two-thirds of all murders. Of interest to many people concerned about these matters, then, is when the debate over the Second Amendment will yield to a debate about violence.
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There is no debate, facts are stated clearly. The second amendment states “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. More than 200 years all the lawyers and politicians have not found a way to twist those words into a tool to disarm Americans. Our constitution is a powerful document. It’s laws are protected by the armed US militia, known also as “We the People” in other parts of the constitution.
Posted 12/27/2012, 1:58:18pm by farmrdave
Postulate: The founding fathers wanted to guarantee the right to bear arms in order that citizens be thus empowered to overthrow the government that the founding fathers were seeking to establish. If true, the concept seems irrational on its face, unless the intent was to encourage civil war. Not likely.
Posted 12/14/2012, 10:25:37pm by Myzell
Not obsessed with guns, just need a means to defend us. In Britain they called in all guns and crime skyrocketed. Now only criminals have guns. Why didn’t they just remove guns from criminals? After all government knows best and will protect you. Common sense says to have a means to protect yourself even from your government. Ask 6,000,000 Jews from Europe in the forties or 25,000,000 citizens of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Your juvenile ideas of gun control have aided the government murder of hundreds of millions of there own citizens in the twentieth century.
Posted 11/5/2012, 4:48:59am by cactus02
The second Amendment was written to protect the fundamental English law notion related to Due Process of law. Viewed purely in a historical context, it is Included in our Bill of Rights because the founding fathers had found it necessary to defend themselves against, and kill if necessary, people associated with the government, (Britian) who were trying to oppress them without due process of law. This does not give anyone the right to commit “treason” but when individual freedoms are put in widespread jeopardy you have a fundamental unalienable right to prevent that oppression. Is that likely to happen today? No, not really. Could it happen in the future? Our founding fathers thought it better to err on the side of caution. If you think it could not happen, I invite you to visit Dachau.
Posted 11/4/2012, 9:03:29pm by olkingcoal
It was my understanding that the militia was the civilian population. For the security of a Free State and personal security, in an age that these rights were written by the people, of the people, and for the people?? Did you miss that part?? It was the civilian population that took up arms against the British. The arms that the people took up were theirs and their property. It was not doled out by the government. To the best of my knowledge it was those people that brought us freedom. Not someone hiding in his bathroom for protection maybe from a neighbor that owns a firearm. It does not mention in the 2ND amendment that civilians were not allowed to own arms. Well regulated is a person that is determined to be lawful. In fact there is a small city named Kennesaw GA. Where it is illegal NOT TO OWN A FIREARM- AT LEAST ONE PER HOME. In fact it people like you that think it is some else’s responsibility to protect them. By the time you dial 911 you are robbed, shot, or most likely both. Much like it is the government’s responsibility to support able body workers. You Must Be Democrat!! Nuff Said.
Posted 7/25/2012, 5:19:38pm by SpeedG3
I frankly don’t care what the constitution has to say about this. I consider it my right to bear arms, and I won’t bow to anyone that tells me otherwise.
Posted 6/12/2012, 12:41:29am by Parabellum
While the reality of the misuse of firearms is distasteful to all law-abiding citizens, the answer is not to prohibit everyone from owning firearms—the answer is to prevent or punish the misuse. Fully automatic weapons are prohibited, but criminals still obtain them…after all, they are criminals and don’t, by definition, obey the law. Prohibiting firearms makes as much sense as prohibiting free speech because some misuse it. The government always goes astray when it tries to prevent criminal acts instead of puniching them. Finally, I almost laughed out loud when I read the author’s quotation from Garry Wills: don’t either of them realize that our founding fathers were committing treason against the British government? The founding fathers were well aware of the need to commit treason when the ruling government oppresses the citizenry.
Posted 5/10/2012, 4:30:26pm by Gary99999
Interesting read, but I’m afraid that somewhere between Lepore and Scalia lies the real truth: the individual right did not start with the 2nd amendment (Scalia’s view) nor the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Lepore’s view), but in the post civil war reconstruction era and with the 14th amendment. Ultimately, of course, the historical facts don’t matter to those with a political agenda on either the right or the left. But it’s still worthwhile to educate yourself. You can start here: http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?65+Law+&+Contemp.+Probs.+103+(Spring+2002)
Posted 4/26/2012, 5:37:58pm by ic747
This article is simply destroyed using both history, legal precedence and facts at National Review online in an article titled “An Individual Right” by Robert VerBruggen. Hopefully Ms. Lepore will read it.
Posted 4/25/2012, 3:16:21pm by PhilMcKraken
How nice that you call your article “The Lost Amendment”. Apparently, you have lost all your history books on the subject, also. If you ever had any to begin your research. I seriously doubt you cracked book one. You have your agenda and you wrote an “article” to promote it. Why not be honest for a change and just say that at the beginning?
Posted 4/25/2012, 1:38:10pm by DerekWilson





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